10 April 2011 @ 08:57 pm
BaCC: My Ruleset  
I love the Build a City Challenge (BaCC) and have tried it a couple of times, but the playrules just don't suit the way I play very well.

That's why I've been trying to come up with my own set of rules. I didn't start completely from scratch and there's still quite a lot from the original challenge in there. It's also not playtested yet, and therefore just a rough draft of the rules, and certain requirements (like monetary or population wise) will probably change quite a bit once I've tried it out in game.
I've tried to make the rules more 'story-driven' than just ticking boxes, and the importance of player-owned businesses has lessened a bit.

For those interested in having a look at my own set of rules, jump behind the cut! Warning though, it's a long read :)


Starting Out

Some areas of SimNation are still uninhabited and mostly unexplored. Occasionally, a brave band of settlers will strike out to make a new home in these unchartered territories. Seeking fame or fortune, questing for knowledge or searching for a good place to raise their families, or just on the lookout for fun and new experiences, these pioneer Sims face many challenges while trying to carve out a new life for themselves.

Your founder is one of these Sims. He/she has gathered a small group of Sims willing to join them in their adventure, and they're ready to leave home and hearth to establish a new town. Each of them has their own motivations and reasons to leave their old life behind, and their own goals and dreams to fulfill. Will they be able to work together and turn their small settlement into a thriving city?

Create a new, empty neighbourhood, using empty neighbourhoodtemplates and Pescado's anti-regen mods such as NoTownieRegen and AntiRedundancy. No townies or other Sims apart from those automatically generated should be made. The only Sims present in the neighbourhood should be your founder and his friends.
Create your founder. The founder can't have any other sims in their household. Choose their looks, personality, aspiration and turn on/turn offs. You can randomize these if you want to.
Create the 4 households that are coming along on the trip. Every household can have a max number of 3 sims, and can only be adults or elders. Either choose the sims per household, and their looks, personality, aspiration, etc yourself, or go for the random method listed here. Go with what you prefer and would find most rewarding to play.

Roll a d6 to determine the number of Sims for every family:

1-2 : 1 sim
3-4 : 2 sims
5-6 : 3 sims

For every Sim, roll a d6 to determine their gender:

1-3: male
4-6: female

For every Sim, roll a d6 to determine their aspiration:

1: Pleasure
2: Romance
3: Knowledge
4: Family
5: Popularity
6: Fortune

For every Sim, roll a d6 to determine their personality:

1-3: Column A
4-6: Column B

Column A:

1: Aquarius
2: Pisces
3: Aries
4: Taurus
5: Gemini
6: Cancer

Column B:

1: Leo
2: Virgo
3: Libra
4: Scorpio
5: Sagittarius
6: Capricorn


Optional: For every Sim, roll a d6 to determine whether they're a creature Sim.

1-2: Your Sim's a creature! Move on to the next roll to determine what they are.
3-6: Your Sim's just the regular house and garden variety.

1: Zombie
2: Vampire
3: Werewolf
4: Alien
5: Witch
6: Plantsim


Create a backstory for your settler Sims. Write a short bio about all of them. Who are they? Where do they come from? What's their reason for signing up for the expedition? What are their personalities, their relationships with the other Sims in their household?

Go into the founder's lot. Randomise the gender preference of your Sims, if you like. Teleport (SimBlender) all the Sims to the lot, and let them socialise for a while. They all know eachother as they travelled to this location together, after all. Only control your founder as the Sims socialise, and let relationships form naturally.
Move your other households into their own lots and build everyone a house (make sure to follow the restrictions listed below). No money cheats allowed, the funds your household has represents what they could afford to take along when making the long trek to the new town.
Households are played in weekly rotation, with the founder being the first house of the rotation. No household can be skipped. While playing, several initial restrictions are in place.


Restrictions

- No electronics. There is no electricity yet in your newly founded town, as there's nothing to generate it nor any infrastructure to distribute it. This includes tv's, stereos, computers, electronic games, burglar and fire alarms. Your Sims came prepared with iceboxes (cheapest fridge) and woodstoves (shinytime cooktop or barbecue), so they have a place to store and cook food, but it's all pretty basic. Workstations are not included in this restriction.

- No running water. There's no reservoir in the area, and no plumbing to boot. Your sims can take baths, use the bathroom and cook with water from a local source (river, lake...) that they purified. But no showers, no garden sprinklers, no fountains, and definitely no swimming pools.

- No cars. When your settlers arrived in town they took along a supply of petrol to get this far, but the closest gasstation is simply too far away to make regular driving feasible.

- No delivery service of any kind. That includes groceries, pizza and chinese food.

- No services of any kind. That includes the maid, butler, repairman, gardener, exterminator, nanny, adoption service

- No townies. Your settlers are literally the only people in town as of yet.

- No fertilising gardening plots. The land is wild and has never been tilled before, and it will take a while before it can yield good crops.

- No community lots. Your settlers are far too busy trying to get their own houses in order to go around building other structures. This includes both Sim-owned and City-Owned community lots. Home businesses are allowed, but:

- No businesses that sell anything other than items you crafted/grew/caught yourself. Where would you get them from, anyway?

- No hobby lots. They're back in the city, miles and miles from where your settlers currently are.

All careers start out locked, with the exception of the Politics career. This is ONLY open to your founder Sim, and represents his/her efforts leading your band of settlers, making connections with close-by cities, trying to get a working infrastructure, etc. More info on this further below.


The Sim Multiplier

The SM is the number that you multiply your number of playable Sims by in order to get the city’s population. Servos count as playable Sims. Pets do not.
+1 for your first community lot
+1 when you reach a total of 5 community lots
+1 for every additional 5 community lots
+5 for your Business District
+5 for your Downtown District
+5 for your University


Unlocking Neighbourhood Additions

Community Lots

Unlocked when your Founder is promoted to Campaign Manager. There are two ways to get a new community lot: Either a playable sim buys a plot of land and starts a business on it, or one is built with the City Funds (more on those later)
Every community lot placed in your town generates interest from Sims in surrounding cities, and ensures them that it would be a safe place to settle. You earn 1 CAS Sim per community lot.

Connection to Downtown

Unlocked when your Founder reaches the top of the Politics career. He/She has successfully lobbied for a proper connection to SimCity, whether by train, bus, proper roadworks, ferry or monorail. Supplies are much easier to come by, and businesses can now sell items they didn’t craft themselves. Hobby lots can now be reached. The Mayor will be required to fund the start of the construction, costing the town 500.000$

With the connection to SimCity established, your town sees an influx of new Sims. You earn 5 CAS Sims.

University

Unlocked when your town’s teacher reaches the top of the Education career. He/She has gathered enough renown and connections to set up their own campus of Sim State University. The Mayor will be required to fund the start of the construction, costing the town 500.000$

The establishing of a new campus naturally draws new students to the area. You earn 5 YA CAS Sims.

Shopping District

Unlocked when your population reaches 25.000, and your town has 5 player owned businesses. The Mayor will be required to fund the acquisition and conversion of the new stretch of land, costing the town 1.000.000$ (If you do not want to actually add a shopping district to your neighbourhood, you can still earn the extra SM and CAS sims by fulfilling the requirements and removing the money from the town funds.)

More businesses means more job openings, and your town attracts Sims looking for work. You earn 10 CAS sims.



Unlocking Careers

Athletic: Going professional doesn’t just require skill, it also requires competitions and fans. Once the Mayor has managed to make a proper connection to SimCity, your town’s local team will be able to properly compete with other teams, and hopefully reach the big leagues.
Requirement: Add connection to Downtown and build a stadium with town funds (50.000$)

Business: Once one of your Sims’s businesses reaches top rank, the owner fancies themselves quite the entrepreneur, and decides to take their business on to bigger and better things. They make contacts with surrounding cities and other businesses, and work hard to reach their goal: building out their business into a state-wide emporium and become a Business Tycoon.
Requirement: The Sim entering the career needs to have a top rank business. When they reach the top of the career, they’ll begin hiring more personnel, and it is unlocked for everyone.

Criminal: In a town where everyone knows each other, there’s no need for locked doors. But once population numbers go up and anonymity kicks in, there are plenty of opportunities for Sims to make a dishonest living.
Requirement: Once the population reaches 100, a place in the Criminal career opens up. Once the top of the career is reached, the Evil Mastermind will start recruiting minions, and the career is unlocked for everyone. Only one Sim can be Evil Mastermind at any given time.

Culinary: Not everyone’s a gifted cook, and even those who are occasionally like to eat without having to do the cooking and dishes afterwards. Your Sim understands this fact of life, and has opened a restaurant to fulfil their neighbour’s need for food cooked by somebody else, starting them off in an undoubtedly blossoming culinary career.
Requirement: The Sim entering the career has to open a restaurant business. It does not have to reach a particular rank, but needs to be played at least one day a week. Once they reach the top of the career they can start hiring personnel, and it is unlocked for everyone.

Law Enforcement: The town is in an uproar after its first burglary! Sims aren’t feeling safe in their houses anymore, and something must be done. Your Sim finds they’re just the man/woman for the job, and vows to protect and serve the Sims of their community.
Requirements: A position opens when the town has had its first burglary. Once the Sim has reached the top of the career, they build a Police Station with town funds (30.000 $), and start recruiting more law enforcers, unlocking the career for everyone. Burglar alarms are unlocked. Only one Sim can be Captain Hero at any given time.

Medical: Your town is confronted with its first epidemic, and Sims fear for their health. Your Sim has spent hours reading books about the Simmish body, and seeing as there are no other viable options, elects him/herself as the town’s doctor.
Requirements: When one of your Sims has fallen ill, and has passed on their disease to at least 2 other sims, a position opens to one Sim who has studied Physiology. Once they reach the top of the career , they build a Hospital with town funds(70.000 $), unlocking the career for everyone with a University diploma in Biology.

Military: With the town now having proper access to the rest of SimNation, the Military has decided to build a new base here to station and train troops. Any Sim who thinks they’ve got what it takes can apply for military duty.
Requirements: Add connection to Downtown and build a Military Base with town funds (50.000 $). Only one Sim can be General at any given time.

Politics: Once the town settled in, they agreed to officially elect the Sim that led them here (the Founder) as their leader. He/She works tirelessly to improve the city in any way they can, and collects taxes to help them build out the town’s infrastructure.

Taxes:

Households are divided into tiers based on their total funds (check from neighbourhood screen):
Upper Class (net worth $100,000+)
Middle Class (net worth $50,000-$99,000)
Lower Class (net worth $25,000-$49,000)
Poverty (net worth below $25,000)

Each tier earns the city tax per week based on the number of sims in that household:
Upper Class: 1.000$/Sim
Middle Class: 500$/Sim
Lower Class: 250$/Sim
Poverty: 100$/Sim

Taxes are paid on the first day of the week, directly to the Founder, who manages the town’s funds. Use Pescado’s money order to send the correct amount to the Founder. The Founder’s income and the taxes come together into one big pool, and it will be up to them to decide whether to advance the town or build themselves a nice heated indoors swimming pool.

As the Founder works their way up the political vine, they unlock certain perks for their town. The founder cannot advance in the career without having fully unlocked the perks of their level. For example, to gain a promotion higher than Lobbyist, will need to have fulfilled all the requirements to unlock Electricity and Running Water. Use Cyjon's Job Stopinator to prevent your Founder from being promoted past the perk they're currently working on.

Lobbyist: One of the first issues your Founder tackles is that of a proper infrastructure for the town. He/She will have to become Best Friends with a Sim who has maxed out the Mechanical skill, to help them out with the planning. Once they’ve done so, Electricity & Running Water are unlocked.

Campaign Manager: With the town up and running, the Founder can start focussing on attracting more inhabitants and stimulating commerce. He/She will have to become Best Friends with a Sim who runs a home business, for their first-hand experience in all things commercial. Once they’ve done so, Sims will be bolstered to start their own businesses and the town prospers, attracting newcomers. Community Lots and Townies unlocked. (You can now generate Townies with the townie gun, or create your own)

State Assembly Person: Slightly overwhelmed with all the political work on their plate, your Founder starts recruiting Sims to help him/her with managing the town. The Political career is now unlocked for everyone, but only one Sim can be Mayor at any given time.

Judge: The town is now large enough that it will need its own courthouse. Your Founder will have to become Best Friends with the Sim who is highest up the ladder in the Law Enforcement career. Once a successful working relationship with the town’s vigilantes has been established, the way is clear to start doing things by the book. The Law career is unlocked.

Mayor: The Founder’s tireless work for their town has been noted by officials in Sim City, and they’re so impressed that he/she is officially instated as the town’s Mayor. The new Mayor now holds enough clout to propose and finance larger projects. Ability to finance a connection to Downtown unlocked.

Science: Simkind has always needed those with an enquiring mind trying to find out how the world works (and invent some shiny things along the way.) Your sim’s cold, hard logic and useful inventions have earned him/her a grant from the town to help them continue their research, for the betterment of all.
Requirements: The career is open to any Sim with maxed out logic skill and a golden talentbadge in Robotics. Once they reach the top of the career, they build a research facility with town funds(50.000$) and the career is unlocked for everyone with a University degree in Physics.

Slacker: A community that’s just getting established has no need for slackers in their midst. Everyone is expected to pull their weight, after all. But in a thriving town, there’s plenty of places in which a Sim looking for the easy life can fit comfortably.
Requirements: Once the population reaches a multiple of 500, a position in the career opens up. The career is unlocked to everyone when a connection to Downtown is added.

Adventure: The Founder has spent a chunk of the town funds (30.000$) to build a shiny new museum. Someone needs to go out there and find some stuff to fill it up with. Attracted by the prospects of a life of adventure, liberating relics, discovering ancient cultures and blowing them up, your Sim has enlisted to explore the region and bring back any treasures they find.
Requirements: A position in the career opens up when the town builds a museum. Once the top of the career is reached, it’s unlocked for everyone.

Education: Children are the future, and someone has to teach the town’s bright young minds all they need to know to live a successful life. Your Sim has felt this calling, and considers themselves the best option these youngsters have.
Requirements: A position opens up once the first child in your town reaches childhood (old enough for education). Once the town’s teacher reaches the top of the career, they build a school with town funds (20.000$), and the career is unlocked for everyone with any University degree.

Gamer: Now the town has electricity and internet available, your Sim indulges themselves with all sorts of electronical entertainment. They’ve become so good at it, in fact, that they’ve been offered a contract as a professional Gamer!
Requirements: After Electricity has been unlocked, the career is open to any Sim who owns a computer, tv + video game console and arcade game.

Journalism: The Founder dislikes news of the Dog Bites Man variety, and has forbidden anyone to report on events unless they’re actually newsworthy.
Requirements: A position opens up everytime there have been 5 burglaries where items have actually been stolen (burglaries interrupted by the burglary alarm do not count), 5 Sim-Instigated fires where an object actually burned down (fires put out by the fire department do not count), or a Sim reaches the top of any career. The career is unlocked once a connection to Downtown has been established.

Law: Wherever more than two Sims are gathered, there are bound to be conflicts. Your Sim has a special talent for negotiating conflict and finding their way in the complex jungle of legal matter, and has offered their services to help keep the peace in town.
Requirements: A position opens up every time a Sim gets furious at someone. To enter the career this way, a Sim needs to have studied Couples Counselling. The career is unlocked for everyone with a University degree in Political Science once the Founder has fulfilled his requirements as a Judge.

Music: As long as anyone has been making an idiot of themselves in public , people have paid them for it. Playing music isn’t any different in that respect. All your Sim needs to start out is an instrument and an audience willing to spare a few simoleons.
Requirements: The career is unlocked to everyone when at least 3 music instruments are placed on a community lot. (Community Lots will have to be unlocked for this)


University Careers:

Artist: As an artist, your most important ability is to get people to pay for your work. Once you’ve earned enough credibility in the scene, you can paint a garbage can red, call it art and sell it for a pretty price.
Requirements: The career is open for any Sim who has sold 5 Masterpieces, once a connection to Downtown has been established.

Natural Science: Your Sim has always had a fondness for plants of all kinds, and jumped at the opportunity to study them closer while at University. With the knowledge they gathered there, they’ve been able to greatly improve the town’s farming methods. Fertilising garden plots is unlocked.
Requirements: The career is open for any Sim with a golden gardening talentbadge and a University degree in Biology.

Paranormal: Your Sim always knew that the truth is out there. They’ve witnessed some strange things in their time, and have decided to devote their time to studying the paranormal. If they can earn some simoleons along the way, that’s a nice bonus.
Requirements: A position opens when the town builds a cemetery and 5 graves have been sent to it. Additional positions open whenever a Sim is turned into a creature (vampire, werewolf, witch, zombie) or an alien is born.

Show Business: Your Sim is tired of living the quiet life in a small town. They want to escape to the Big City, get discovered, and become a star. So they can return to their hometown and swank about in front of everyone, of course.
Requirements: The career is unlocked once a connection to Downtown has been added.


Freetime Careers

Architecture: When the settlers first came to the town, they built their own houses any old how with the supplies they could find. Now the town has access to better building materials, your Sim thinks the time is ripe for someone to step up and draw some plans before a structure gets built.
Requirements: The career is unlocked once a connection to Downtown is established, but is only open to Sims with an Art degree.


Dance: Your Sim has always had a passion for Dance, and now the town has funded the building of a brand new Cultural Center, he/she finally has a chance to perform in front of an audience that isn't restricted to their cat.
Requirements: The career is unlocked for everyone once a Cultural Center (50.000$) has been built.

Entertainment: Making a twit of themselves in front of an audience is just one of the many fears your Sim utterly lacks. When the town built a Cultural Center, they were no longer restricted to doing standup comedy in the local pub, and can now try to fulfill their dreams of entertaining the masses.
Requirements: The career is unlocked for everyone once a Cultural Center (50.000$) has been built.

Intelligence: The Sim City Intelligence Agency doesn't exist, of course. And the top brass of town has absolutely no knowledge of the secret devision that's rumored to have been instated in the area. That's paranoid conspiracy theories for you.
Requirements: The career is unlocked once the top of the Law Enforcement and Military career have been reached, but is only open to Sims who graduated college with a GPA of 4.0.

Oceanography: Big fish, small fish, cuttlefish, starfish... Fish are pretty much your Sim's whole life. The neighbours might think they smell a bit funny, but they're living the dream, and that's what's important.
Requirements: The career is open to any Sim with a golden fishing talent badge. Once the first Sim reaches the top of the career, it is unlocked for everyone with a University degree in Biology.

(If you move in a townie that has a job in a career that does has not been unlocked for everyone, they MUST quit.)

Pet Careers:

Show Biz: Only pets who have learned all commands (excluding toilet training for cats) may enter this career.

Service: The career opens once phone service options are unlocked (when the population reaches 500).

Security: Only pets whose owner works in Law Enforcement may enter this career.
 
Wow, you read all the way through this? Congratulations on your stamina! :D

Edit 07/05/11:

- Added in Hobby Lot restrictions


Edit 15/04/11:
- Added in Cyjon's Job Stopinator to prevent progress in Political career when requirements for perks haven't been fulfilled yet
- Added higher requirements for opening positions in the Journalism career
- Added in monetary requirement to build the Cultural Center (50.000$)
- Fixed some typos and things

Questions for testers/players/anyone who has a go at this:
- How are the monetary requirements for various things? (like building a school or science research facility, connection to Downtown, etc.) Too hard? Too easy?
- I realised I never added in anything to unlock fire alarms. I'm guessing this would need a 'fire department' of some sorts. Any suggestions?
- Any other remarks/ideas/thoughts?
 
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[identity profile] autumnsaccord.livejournal.com on April 10th, 2011 08:19 pm (UTC)
I've never tried the BaCC, but was literally JUST about to start it before I came across this! I must say I'm completely intrigued. :3 I really like how there is more of a storyline in this version. And more importantly, being an airhead and all, I like how everything is thoroughly laid out-I'm understanding things way better this way. ^^; If you don't mind, I could be one of the people who play tests it for you. :]
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 10th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
Oh excellent :) You're more than welcome to try it out with these rules, I just can't guarantee they're balanced or anything at the moment. They are quite a bit more simplified - I can't keep track of all the stuff required in the original myself ^^

Do let me know if you have a go at it :)
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[identity profile] autumnsaccord.livejournal.com on April 12th, 2011 06:52 pm (UTC)
Creating neighborhood as I type-excited! :3 I'm planning on posting my progress on here rather than Blogger since I have more of my TS2 playing friends on LJ, and so I can link everyone to your rules easily. :D

I'll tell you if I run into any problems, though things look like they should work out very nicely. ^-^ Oh and added this entry to my memories in case future changes are made. :]
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 12th, 2011 07:50 pm (UTC)
Ooh excellent ^^ Looking forward to seeing it all in action :) My own attempt will have to wait a week or two... Itching to get started on it though!
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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/ari_/ on April 11th, 2011 02:16 pm (UTC)
I love these kinds of rules.

I adored playing the apocalypse challenge, before Pets came out, when the rules were still playable (I found that with additional careers etc. it became mostly unplayable).

I have personal rules in my game, mostly re. careers and university (it's silly that you need to study to be an artist or to scam some people with the paranormal, but you don't if you want to be a doctor?).

I'll have to try a BACC one of these days, even tho I'm highly unfond of playing businesses...
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 11th, 2011 02:51 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean, I really don't enjoy playing businesses all that much myself. That's why there's only two business requirements in the rules: one to open the Business career and one to open the Culinary career. Outside of those, I don't think you have to 'play' businesses. You can plonk down a community lot that's owned by a Sim, but never bother to go in there after the initial placement :)
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[identity profile] simgaroop.livejournal.com on April 14th, 2011 02:40 pm (UTC)

Your rules looked so interesting, that I am trying them out in my game for fun. It took me a couple tries to get the neighborhood working (I did not have enough empty templates) but now I have my five little households and for the first time in my simming life, I built their homes from scratch :)

So far, the rules are awesome and they are motivating me to have my sims look for alternate ways to earn money (pottery, sewing, gardening, fishing). I guess the lack of electronics are also forcing them to find other sources of entertaining, because ACR is running wild between my Sims.

The only issue I have is with the founder and the perks that must be filled to get to the next position in the politics career. I have harder jobs, and she still managed to move four positions in the career before I could finish the requirements for each one of them. For example, she became a Lobbyst, and then a Campaign Manager the next day before I could let her befriend a Sim with max mechanical. I had to move in a guy who had a lot of mechanical points, so I could force them to max them out during my Founders turn in the rotation. Good side is that they had three bolts :) My Sim is currently a Member of the City Council and I have yet to fill the requirements of a Campaign Manager. I am not letting her make another friend to prevent her from going up again :P.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 15th, 2011 08:04 am (UTC)
Ahh I completely forgot to put that in the rules, good thing you remind me! I was actually intending to prevent promotions without having fulfilled the perks with Cyjon's Job Stopinator (Find it here: http://drupal.cyjon.net/node/327 )
Just whack the Stopinator in your Founder's inventory and take it out when the perks have been unlocked :)

I'm so glad you're having fun with the rules though ^^
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[identity profile] simcerly.livejournal.com on April 18th, 2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
I've been wanting to do a BACC challenge forever, but I haven't found the right listing of rules. Seeing it THIS way, makes me want to do it. I might just take these rules and try my hand at it. :)
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 18th, 2011 07:20 pm (UTC)
Do let me know if you do! I'd love to hear how it goes :)
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[identity profile] katee412.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 09:28 am (UTC)
I'm currently printing these rules, and am using the time to consider ways to allow fire alarms. I guess it could be tied into the Law Enforcement career and a fire department could be additionally built for another $30,000 although a more morbid thought was that the town might cry out for one when a resident dies in a fire.

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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 09:37 am (UTC)
Hmmm that could work indeed :) Not that I want my Simmies to die in a fire, but it'd stress the importance of fire prevention I guess... Linking it to Law Enforcement would make sense as well, maybe if a Sim in that career (not the first one) has extinguished 3 fires himself or something and learns fire prevention, they can start up a fire station?
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[identity profile] katee412.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 09:52 am (UTC)
Ooh, I forgot about learning fire prevention. Maybe the second person to become a Captain Hero could learn it and open a fire station. I must admit I've never had much luck getting my Sims to put out fires and live to tell the tale, let alone three! :(
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 10:02 am (UTC)
They get better at managing it when you let them learn fire prevention - they actually put out the fires instead of running around like headless chickens :)
All depends on the difficulty level you want to play with, I guess. I'm thinking that fire prevention is rather important, and should therefore be unlocked fairly early on, but if you prefer some level of danger for a bit longer, the second Cpt Hero thing works, too :) I think I'll go with the fire prevention + extinguish 3 fires + build firestation one. It'd require electricity to be unlocked as well, obviously.
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[identity profile] katee412.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 10:21 am (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense, I'm so use to using fire alarms that I only get them to learn fire prevention to fulfill a want. I agree with it's living dangerously to wait that long, so I think I'll go with your system ;D

I also meant to say that I like the system you set out for randomising the families. Although I think my dice was loaded, it's just not right to have that many pleasure sims!
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 19th, 2011 10:29 am (UTC)
Ouch, I feel for you! I only have one Pleasure Sim and she's rather hard to keep happy without any of the luxuries most Sims are used to.
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[identity profile] miss-essa.livejournal.com on April 27th, 2011 03:32 am (UTC)
I may give this a try.

Your take on the rules is appealing. I especially like the creature part since I usually don't use them in my game.

Unlike you I love running owned community businesses. They're my favorite things in game.

I just need to figure out how this will fit with my gameplay.

My current hood is an ex BaCC. I know for sure that I will enjoy this kind of challenge.

I have a question about phones. Will phones be allowed once electricity is unlocked?
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 27th, 2011 06:52 am (UTC)
There is nothing in these rules stopping you from running community businesses. They're still a great way to earn more CAS Sims and add to your Sim Multiplier. They're just not as necessary anymore to advance the city.
Hope you'll enjoy it if you do try it out :)

Phones are unlocked together with electricity :)
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[identity profile] miss-essa.livejournal.com on April 30th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
Thanks for answering. It was my guess but you'll never know. ;)

I'm trying it out and it's been a lot of fun so far.

Starting out with clean templates, no townies and several households is a great idea. It makes things a lot more interesting and ACR adds to the mix.
I also randomized the families with the creature option as I usually don't play them. I got a Plant-sim who's really fun to play. O_o

In my hood, electricity and running water are still locked. My founder is already best friend with the tinkering sim. The latter still needs to max out the Mechanical skill though. I really need to get rid of the wooden bath. I ignore why my sims find it so attractive. :(

I already have 4 positions in the Law career and I only have 10 playable simmies.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on April 30th, 2011 03:37 pm (UTC)
I do like the very small beginnings, as they force you to focus on the few Sims you have. ACR is a great tool, I don't know how I've ever played without it :)
I would've loved having a Plantsim, but I didn't get one :(

I had intended for only one position in the Law career to be unlockable by Sims getting furious. So furious Sims after the first two would not unlock any more positions, until the entire career is unlocked when the Founder reaches Judge in the political career. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. Having so many lawyers running around town isn't very realistic, after all :)
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[identity profile] miss-essa.livejournal.com on April 30th, 2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
No need to be sorry.
I don't think so many lawyers would be realistic either. I decided to have only one too. After all this career is open to majored sims only in my regular game. ;-)

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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 6th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)
Alright. I have the sims created and named, and the terrain picked. I AM READY FOR THIS.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 07:18 am (UTC)
YEAH! I'm thinking this requires a manly rugby chest-bump, but that'd be a bit odd?
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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:06 am (UTC)
I've unlocked the Law career two minutes after teleporting the sims to the founder's lot. I actually had to alter one of the settlers' personality from 2 grouchy points to 5 nice points, otherwiste he would be driven out of town with torches and pitchforks.
I've already played the first week of half of the households! How do you manage to keep yourself from playing more than one week at a time? :o
Also, if I may ask for help... WHAT DO I DO TO GET RID OF FUKKEN SOCIAL GROUPS? They're worse than roaches. If you kill them, they respawn. The neighbourhood is empty, save for necessary NPCS and those goddamn assholes!
But other than that, it's delightful. I'm having a lot of fun with this one :D
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:34 am (UTC)
One word: Pescado. I use the clean templates from MATY, and Pescado's antiredundancy hacks.

You'll probably want notownieregen, antiredundancy, alfixes, nodormieregen, nossrespawn, nostrayrespawn. To be honest, you'll probably want the whole directors cut, or at least most of it :D http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,8.0.html
But those are the ones that specifically tackle the game creating oodles of sims that just should not be there. I don't think there's anything specific for social groups, but I don't really play with apartments and they don't get generated, so... I dunno.

As for one week at the time: strict scheduling. I switch households at 7 am on Monday morning, no ifs and buts and just completing this action quickly. If the whole household is on the verge of the collapse: tough shit, deal with it next week :)

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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:37 am (UTC)
The thing is, I have most of these hacks! I downloaded the template form MTS2, though, that might be why I got Goopy & friends. To SimPE!

I switch households, too, but I just want to play three rotations in a row :D to fun! And I already have a baby! A French baby!
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:44 am (UTC)
I use the completely empty templates over at MATY and I don't get Benjamin Longnose and the gang. I'm not sure bout social groups though, I don't play apartments much really. Would suck if you were fine with the townies and then get hordes of social groupies rampaging through town. Maybe the visitor controller would help to keep unwanted plebeians from your lots?

French baby? I do hope you're planning to post some pictures, would love to see that :)
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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:49 am (UTC)
I'm indeed using the visitor controller for now. If it were only social groups, I would be fine, but SmPE shows I have 409 sims in the neighbourhood! Not what I wanted.

But of course! >:D Though the baby is still an infant, and therefore - boring. All the faceslapping among the adult population will be much more prominent.
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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:24 am (UTC)
Scratch that, the neighbourhood template I used was not clean, I have a metric fuckton of townies. I failed. U_U Now II'll have to delete them one by one, sounds fun.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:42 am (UTC)
That really sucks. Do make sure to use the proper method of deleteing them though, so your game doesn't bug up =/
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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 09:46 am (UTC)
What *is* th eproper way to delete them? I'm using the Sim Deleter Tool; all I'm doing is selecting the unwanted sims and running the tool. Is there something else that should be done? I have a backup of the neighbourhood, so I feel brave enough to experiment.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate that you're taking your time to help a noob out :) SimPE is dark magic to me.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 10:04 am (UTC)
You'll need Pescado's lot debugger for it (it's in the Director's Cut), but this method makes sure no dangling bits of Sim file are left behind potentially screwing up the hood.

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,6205.0.html

Another option is to just restart the hood. I had to do that with mine (I messed up somewhere and got jumpbugs). I copied the terrain, packaged and clean installed the lots, extracted all my Sims and noted down their days left, skills, personality, relationship, job progress etc, and made a new hood. Then I SimPE'd them back the way they were. (The only downside was I had no way of recreating Hannah as a baby, so I had to recreate her as a toddler. That's why she's suddenly a toddler next week :) )

At least now I took the time to create some custom townies, and a lot less than I initially did. Ooh, and custom Hobby Mavens. I'm rather glad I did those :D
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[identity profile] krolowa-francji.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 10:07 am (UTC)
That... looks like a hell of a lot of work D: Deleting 400 sims one by one? Hell naw. I think I'll just restart the neighbourhood, just like you say. Thank you for your advice <3
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 7th, 2011 10:21 am (UTC)
Not a problem! :)
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[identity profile] zx-ta.livejournal.com on May 17th, 2011 10:21 pm (UTC)
Your rules are awe-so-me!
I'm gonna try it too! Thanks
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 18th, 2011 10:37 am (UTC)
Thanks! Hope you'll enjoy em, and check out our community for the up-to-date rules: http://buildacity.livejournal.com
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[identity profile] susannag.livejournal.com on May 21st, 2011 10:02 pm (UTC)
How do you unlock service calls? Population?
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 21st, 2011 10:55 pm (UTC)
Yep, once the population reaches 500 service calls are unlocked. I'm thinking of making an exception for phoning the police, which could get unlocked when the first Sim reaches the top of the Law Enforcement career :)
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[identity profile] olivethegreat.livejournal.com on May 24th, 2011 04:39 am (UTC)
These rules are really interesting and are a neat twist on the BaCC. I'm going to go read about your challenge so far. :)
I like that they still have the same feel, but are centered around different things so that you don't necessarily have to have businesses for everything.
I'm still going to stick to the original rules (just because I love playing businesses), but this is a neat idea. :)
I think it's so different and neat that you probably could have made an entirely new challenge.
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[identity profile] pnkpnthr334.livejournal.com on May 25th, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
Hey there! I'm trying to put together a post for [livejournal.com profile] buildacity_sims linking to different rule sets, and I was wondering if you'd be okay with me including yours?
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on May 25th, 2011 07:29 am (UTC)
Of course :) Not a problem at all.
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(Anonymous) on June 12th, 2011 03:27 pm (UTC)
I have a question. I printed your rule-set, and found (test play) that without a phone or computer I cant open a home business? Is there some way to do this another way? My sims do not give away food to each other...they (I) are not that nice :)

Like this a lot. Except medical unlock....I hardly ever have illness..so I would probably never earn that and my sims would expect some medical service once they have children (I would). So I will probably make that a bit different in my game.
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on June 12th, 2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
It doesn't make much sense that you need a phone to open a homebusiness (seriously, just put some stuff for sale and off you go), so I usually just buy the phone, open the business, then sell the phone. I'm not considering it one of the prohibited functions of the no electronics/running water rule.

I'm running into the same problem as you with the medical stuff right now. I used to get flu epidemics like nobody's business, mostly related to trashcans being kicked over by strays. This hood, not a cough or sniffly nose to be seen. Not really sure how to address that one myself, any suggestions are welcome :)
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[identity profile] susannag.livejournal.com on June 12th, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
Pray for large families without many neat points?
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[identity profile] helpimbethany.livejournal.com on June 25th, 2011 12:57 pm (UTC)
I've been lurking, and this looks pretty great, I might do this as a project over summer.

I hope you don't mind if I use your rules? right?
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[identity profile] nepheris.livejournal.com on June 26th, 2011 08:27 am (UTC)
Of course I don't mind :) We've got a community set up for people who are playing by these BaCC rules; http://buildacity.livejournal.com
You can find the updated rules and other people's BaCC's there.
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[identity profile] helpimbethany.livejournal.com on June 26th, 2011 11:32 am (UTC)
Thank you so much!

I can't wait. :)
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